Fundraising Idea for the Trust

[wulsonforlivi]

Originally Posted by LIVIFOREVER

As i said, i had no idea what expenses the Trust had, you've explained them so that's good.

A somewhat defensive tone from a few Trust members is a mystery though, my question came from how the Trust used LFL fighting funds to gain shares, so i'd thought you'd understand if i or others would wonder if expenses/admin costs etc would also come out of the funds, i've personally donated money into said funds and i'd have been quite happy for it to go directly to the club without any bargaining on shares.

As there is no other vehicle than the Trust for raising funds then we're stuck with what we've got, but if i had a choice i'd give it straight to the club and that isn't a slight at the Trust, just that i'm not a Trust member and see no advantage for the club having to get the money on Trust terms, or from a third party if that makes it easier to understand, as the Trust being the third party is irrelevant in what i'm saying.

My post wasn't directed at you. Nor was it meant to be defensive - more frustration than anything, especially as we felt we had left those determined to see us undone behind when M*****e walked.

[Jacques]

Liviforever, why don't you join the Trust. Everyone is welcome and we don't bite honestly!

[phantoms-livi-lass]

Originally Posted by Jacques

Liviforever, why don't you join the Trust. Everyone is welcome and we don't bite honestly!

I'm a trust member & I do bite!

[goodtimin]

Originally Posted by LIVIFOREVER

As i said, i had no idea what expenses the Trust had, you've explained them so that's good.

A somewhat defensive tone from a few Trust members is a mystery though, my question came from how the Trust used LFL fighting funds to gain shares, so i'd thought you'd understand if i or others would wonder if expenses/admin costs etc would also come out of the funds, i've personally donated money into said funds and i'd have been quite happy for it to go directly to the club without any bargaining on shares.

As there is no other vehicle than the Trust for raising funds then we're stuck with what we've got, but if i had a choice i'd give it straight to the club and that isn't a slight at the Trust, just that i'm not a Trust member and see no advantage for the club having to get the money on Trust terms, or from a third party if that makes it easier to understand, as the Trust being the third party is irrelevant in what i'm saying.

My understanding is that here are also tax liabilities for the club otherwise. The Trust is a co-operative society, not for profit, thereby reducing the liability.

Likewise the Trust can apply for Grants but the Club cannot.

regards

GT

[goodtimin]

Originally Posted by phantoms-livi-lass

I'm a trust member & I do bite!

She does you know! but the rest of us are fine!

[orco]

Originally Posted by phantoms-livi-lass

I'm a trust member & I do bite!

But your bark is worse.

[Millfield Marksman]

Originally Posted by wulsonforlivi

or via ... where that comes from.

For feck's sake. Why would you want to advertise this?

[wulsonforlivi]

Advertise what? That I bought the last two reams of paper myself from Ryman's in the Centre? Wanna see the receipt? £5.99 for two - a good offer.

[goodtimin]

Originally Posted by wulsonforlivi

Advertise what? That I bought the last two reams of paper myself from Ryman's in the Centre? Wanna see the receipt? £5.99 for two - a good offer.

There was a better one at Asda - 500 sheets of HP general paper for only £2, but when I went back it had all gone!

Perhaps someone could start a new thread on the price of paper. I am sure there would be hundreds of posts on such a stimulating subject!

[wulsonforlivi]

Originally Posted by goodtimin

There was a better one at Asda - 500 sheets of HP general paper for only £2, but when I went back it had all gone!

Perhaps someone could start a new thread on the price of paper. I am sure there would be hundreds of posts on such a stimulating subject!

I saw that one too, but it looked cheap and nasty stuff - I prefer a decent white. Fussy that I am.

[Benchwarmer]

Originally Posted by Jacques

I have always found that it is better to try to change something from within, where all the information is available, as opposed to trying to get answers or even criticise repeatedly, regardless of how you word it.

So that in order to stop the BNP gaining a foothold in Scotland we should all become members?

The Trust do their job well when it comes to the raising of funds but in the past I feel that it has been used as a vehicle for personal gratification, been a catalyst for confrontation and played its part in fuelling the problems that led us into administration
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[Benchwarmer]

In summarising of other posts, the thrust of my questions was asking if the money raised from collecting money to unconditionally save the club instead being used to purchase shares to ensure the release of funds.

In asking about the subtle difference in what has occurred, the Pro-Trust, with the exception of Pedro who went out his way to answer my question, have threw up their usual defensive approach whenever people ask about the Trust, which doesn't help the situation, as it can make it look like they've got something to hide!

Finally, with regards to the Trust scheme being without fault due to it being a Government scheme, just like the Banking Code and MPs Expenses, it has to be a rare occasion when so many people on these fourms appear to agree with a Westminister driven idea!
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[Dov]

Originally Posted by Benchwarmer

have threw up their usual defensive approach whenever people ask about the Trust, which doesn't help the situation, as it can make it look like they've got something to hide!

I agree that ithat the Trust can be a wee bit defensive now and again, but when you have your usual M*****e lovers, people with agendas against members of the Trust board, these people would rather the club had died than have the Livi 5 & the Trust save the club (a big thanks to them BTW), then I can see where they are coming from.

[Benchwarmer]

Originally Posted by Dov

I agree that ithat the Trust can be a wee bit defensive now and again, but when you have your usual M*****e lovers, people with agendas against members of the Trust board, these people would rather the club had died than have the Livi 5 & the Trust save the club (a big thanks to them BTW), then I can see where they are coming from.

If questions are met with resistance then people may wrongly get the impression that the Trust have something to hide, and if money is not used in the way it is being suggested it will be, then questions will continue to be raised by people from time to time.

I still fail to understand why you insist that everyone who doesn't fully subscribe to LFL is (in your words) a M*****e lover, or in someway have agendas against the members of the Trust?

Along with every other fan, I am delighted to still have a club to support, and for the new owners putting their own money in to save us, however other than promoting the starvation of cash to M*****e I am unaware of what role the Trust played in the saving of the club.
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[LLDel Boy]

To be fair, I don't think the Trust ever promoted the starvation of cash to M*****e.

I personally did, but I wasn't speaking on behalf of the Trust, and I would do it all again tomorrow if I had to. I am sure that the Trust actually donated some money to the club last season via sponsorship of youth teams.

Whether you agree with what the Trust is about or not, I can't see how they contributed to the club going into administration. Through their utter mismanagement of the company, the two amigos were quite capable in that respect and they were others who joined in towards the end.

To be honest, I don't see what raking back over it all is going to achieve. Had it not been for various parties, including the Trust, then the club would undoubtedly be dead by now.

The role that the Trust played, for example by creating a credible business plan as an alternative to the Italians, has been recognised by the club as various open meetings and by the fact that they are going to co-opt a member of the Trust board onto the club board in the near future.

Whether you agree with the concept of the Trust or disagree with individuals involved in it, there's no question that the Trust is currently doing what it is supposed to be doing and that's getting supporters together in a collective effort and assisting the club wherever it can.

[Dov]

Originally Posted by Benchwarmer

I still fail to understand why you insist that everyone who doesn't fully subscribe to LFL is (in your words) a M*****e lover, or in someway have agendas against the members of the Trust?

People have the choice, which is a great thing to have. What you have posted above is a lie, I do not insist that everyone that doesn't subscribe to the LFL is a M*****e lover, nor have I said they all have agendas against members of the Trust.

Take my dad for example, he, just like other supporters works hard all week, wants to see Livi on a Saturday, he isn't really interested in the anything else. He doesn't really know anything about the Trust, mainly because he just wants to go to the game on Sat and nothing more, I respect people’s choices and understand his and others.

But we had a couple of selective posters (one has already posted on this thread) who were on here when M*****e was in charge , knew what he was up to, knew he had no money, but still tried to get supporters to believe that he was the man to save Livi, and tried their best to jeopardise the people who saved the club in the end (Livi 5 & The Trust).

And a big thankyou to them all

P.S - Just waiting for the tag team of selective posters to come on line now

[LIVIFOREVER]

Originally Posted by orco

But your bark is worse.

Hmmm it's too easy, all these dog inferences , mustn't make a comment, mustn't make a comment.


Biting, throwing pies, threats towards people.........PLL should be reprimanded immediately, i suggest puting her in stocks and charging £1 for 3 wet sponges to chuck at her.

[phantoms-livi-lass]

Originally Posted by LIVIFOREVER

Hmmm it's too easy, all these dog inferences , mustn't make a comment, mustn't make a comment.


Biting, throwing pies, threats towards people.........PLL should be reprimanded immediately, i suggest puting her in stocks and charging £1 for 3 wet sponges to chuck at her.

I shall find you today!

[LIVIFOREVER]

Can i have brown sauce with that pie you're going to give me?

[phantoms-livi-lass]

Originally Posted by LIVIFOREVER

Can i have brown sauce with that pie you're going to give me?

Oh yes! Whatever you wish.

Originally Posted by Dov

People have the choice, which is a great thing to have. What you have posted above is a lie, I do not insist that everyone that doesn't subscribe to the LFL is a M*****e lover, nor have I said they all have agendas against members of the Trust.

Take my dad for example, he, just like other supporters works hard all week, wants to see Livi on a Saturday, he isn't really interested in the anything else. He doesn't really know anything about the Trust, mainly because he just wants to go to the game on Sat and nothing more, I respect people’s choices and understand his and others.

But we had a couple of selective posters (one has already posted on this thread) who were on here when M*****e was in charge , knew what he was up to, knew he had no money, but still tried to get supporters to believe that he was the man to save Livi, and tried their best to jeopardise the people who saved the club in the end (Livi 5 & The Trust).

And a big thankyou to them all

P.S - Just waiting for the tag team of selective posters to come on line now

Hilarious as usual.
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[Charles Darwin Esq]

OK lads, enough's enough.

M*****e's gone and all he means to us now is the damage he left in his wake. But it's time to move on.

[Charles Darwin Esq]

Originally Posted by LLD v2

To be honest, I don't see what raking back over it all is going to achieve. Had it not been for various parties, including the Trust, then the club would undoubtedly be dead by now.

Whether you agree with the concept of the Trust or disagree with individuals involved in it, there's no question that the Trust is currently doing what it is supposed to be doing and that's getting supporters together in a collective effort and assisting the club wherever it can.

Says it all.

[wulsonforlivi]

As someone who never visits the site, I've just had it confirmed that the usual suspect has been doing his usual stirring on P&B, and making merry that the Trust use stolen printing paper!! Fanastic result! I've just about stopped laughing now. What a dope.

Wonder what he'll now make of the photos of him hugging and back-slapping M*****e on the night of the CVA meeting, once they're posted up. On a night when M*****e could still have had the club put out of business, and tried his best to do so, he's greeted like a long-lost best pal!? You really couldn't make it up. No, really.

[phantoms-livi-lass]

Originally Posted by wulsonforlivi

As someone who never visits the site, I've just had it confirmed that the usual suspect has been doing his usual stirring on P&B, and making merry that the Trust use stolen printing paper!! Fanastic result! I've just about stopped laughing now. What a dope.

Wonder what he'll now make of the photos of him hugging and back-slapping M*****e on the night of the CVA meeting, once they're posted up. On a night when M*****e could still have had the club put out of business, and tried his best to do so, he's greeted like a long-lost best pal!? You really couldn't make it up. No, really.

No-one really takes any notice of what he spouts now anyway, apart from to laugh AT him.